terrorists. including one day 13 of the government shutdown. is the end game near? a revolving door at the white house as the president and republicans engage in talks to avert a default and reopen the government. >> no deal as far as we're concerned. >> we'll wait to see what the senate comes up with. >> they're not doing us a favor

by reopening the government. they're not doing us a favor by extending the debt ceiling. that's part of our jobs. >> we'll discuss the chances for a compromise. and we'll ask congressman jim jordan whether the tea party faction in the house -- who is paying the price politically for the continued gridlock. and our power player of the week. >> i think any objective observer would see a certain insanity in some of the things that have happened during this government shutdown. all right now on fox news sunday. and hello again from fox news in washington. negotiations to end the partial government shutdown and avoid

default are now focused on the senate. after president obama rejected the latest house republican plan. we'll talk with key congressional players in a moment. but first if there's no deal and that is looking more likely, what it will mean to the overall economy and your personal finances. peter fox is tracking how the markets are handling the uncertainty. >> chris, financial markets are bracing for a bumpy ride this week because of washington's budget battles. by the end of the weeks, stocks recovered all of the losses that followed the shutdown on october 1. markets rose on hope for a deal so markets are likely to fall as reality check alters sentiment. this fight is a long way from

over. that's what happened in the budget showdown in 2011. the dow fell more than 800 points before a deal was reached to avoid a shutdown and increase the debt ceiling, but it fell another 1,200 points after that. the nasty fight cost the united states its aaa credit rating for the first time in history. still the economy itself held up okay in hindsight. it chalked up 3% growth by the last quarter of 2011, job creation accelerated and stocks rebounded. the pattern was the same in the 1995-'96 government shutdown. >> more than 50% of all exports are to developing countries, so this is not just that it's going to have a negative impact in developing countries, it's going to have a direct impact on

exports in the united states. we just urge them to continue talking and come to a solution. >> reporter: u.s. bond markets are closed tomorrow for columbus day, but stock markets are open so buckle your seat belts. chris? >> peter, thank you, and we'll be following how the markets react. as we said the senate is now at the center of budget talks and we're joined by two leaders who are trying to find a way to reopen the government and avoid a default. joe manchin and bob corker have joined us. is there a dealing in the offing? where are we? >> there was some movement in a couple of days ago, and things are not moving now, a couple of nights ago there was a way to maybe move forward, i think the senate democrats have pulled back at the regrets of the white house and maybe now looking at

sort of busting the budget caps that were established back in 2011. i think we're in a status quo, i do think we'll see our way through this, but the last 24 hours have not been good. >> let me follow up with you on that. as we have said, the president rejected the house gop plan yesterday, senator harry reid, the senate democratic leader rejected a compromise plan by 12 senators, half republicans half democrats. it sounds like the other side is demanding senator corker that you reopen the government and you extend the debt limit with no strings attached. will senate republicans accept that? >> existing law which is now where they're at. are they going to agree to leave the budget caps that have been long been established as u.s. law, are they going to set a frame work that allows us to deal with the bug issue that our

government faces. >> let me quickly explain to folks, because what happened as part of the government control act in 2011, sequester levels were cut and these were automatic spending cuts and the overall budget has to go down to a certain level. the democrats are now insisting let's raise the sequester levels, let's relax that. if obama care was the law of the land and couldn't be tinkered with, why is it the sequester that is the law of the land can be tinkered with. >> to try to change a law that was central to the president's agenda was not something that was achievable. delay, maybe, other kinds of delays maybe. now the democrats are on the verge of being one tick too cute. they now are overreaching and what we have got to do is get this back to the middle of the

road, act like adults, deal with these issues. the finance ministers from around the world. this is something that's wreaking havoc around the world and will affect economic growth and i do hope that over the next week we'll reach a conclusion and i think we will, but, chris, own the last 24 hours, there's not been good productivity on this issue. >> let me pick up with you, senator manchin, because you were part of this gang of 12 that tried to come up. >> we have enough gangs up there. we don't need anymore gangs. >> it was an agreement and democratic leaders said this gives too much to republicans. which raises the question, do harry reid, do president obama, do they want to compromise or do they want to surrender? >> i don't know what they want. they haven't detailed that enough for us. leadership must lead and basically we're in a crisis mode right now, we should not be

here. there's no way for this government to be shut down. this is self-inflicting pain on millions of people, it's unnecessary. now we're on the brink of a government default, which is catastrophic to the government, to our economy in this great country. we have a group of 12 bipartisan, that's 12% of the senate, a core equally divided, 66 democrats-republicans, and we have something that has a little bit move for everybody. >> harry reid said it was too generous to the republicans, that -- and rejected it and -- >> well, we're waiting to see the leadership come back with something that maybe he believes is more fair. we looked at it from the standpoint that they wanted to repeal the medical device tax. republicans wanted that, they compromised and gave us a delay for two years which works. they wanted oversight as far as people who were signing up for

it. the bottom line was we don't want that to gut the bill, and it's not going to gut the bill. give obama care a chance to work. if it doesn't work, it will fall on its own. in the social issues, we're talking about financing of our countries. a lot of those social issues i have talked about. that's not the place for it. and everybody wants to bring their social agenda to the table when we should be fixing the finances of this country and that's what bob and i have been working on. >> senator corker, majority leader harry reid late yesterday along with other democratic leaders went to the oval office and discussed where they stand at this point in these negotiations. he says he wants a compromise by tomorrow. by monday. any idea what he has in mind? and what do you think? realistically, i know you want to say, you hope that -- what

are the chances, real chances that we would reach thursday t debt deadline without a deal? >> well, i have been able to predict these in the past with really perfect results so far. at this point, chris, i cannot. i do think we will rise to the occasion and deal with this issue. i do think that -- i think the white house pulled back senate leadership two nights ago and asked them to step back a away, and i think they're watching what's going to happen on the republican side for a few hours, but nothing is going to happen, i don't think, if it's about, again, breaking those spending caps. so my sense -- >> that's the issue now? >> it would be beyond belief as a country to have a huge amount of debt, $17 trillion and growing and to not only not take gains, which is what all of us want to do, we want to make our country stronger, not only not do that, but back off from the disciplines that we put in place

back in 201 1rks which by the way is the law of the land. so my sense the that democrats will pull back, we'll end up in a place where we're focused on those good government things that we should have been focused on all along and we will move along in an appropriate, at some point, chris, this is something that the administration will realize is not a game they need to be playing with and we need to get back to, again t constraint that we have with a few victories for both sides and move ahead. >> senator manchin, the number two democrat in the senate dick durbin says that your side has, several somethings in their back pocket as a way to avoid default, even if you don't get a deal. do you have any idea what he's talking about? >> well, i would assume that they might be referring to the so-called nuclear option, if you have to use that, basically to keep this country from falling into default, we go to 51 votes on the senate side to prevent

that from happening. i don't think we need to go that direction whatsoever. i think we can come to an agreement. if you want to avoid the sequestering numbers, get a long-term fix. the template of reform and spending and welfare. >> we can move in that direction, if we can come to an agreement. that's what we said, january 31st on the debt ceiling, march 31st on the cr. put budget conference in place. the conferees aren't even meeting, so if they want to fix it and give it a number, then sit down and come to an agreement and let the process work. >> even if the white house and the senate agree, you kind of get something then through the house. when you were proposing your deal, senator manchin, which the senate democratic leadership

said was too generous to republicans, paul ryan, the chairman of the house budget committee said it was a total cave and that it was unacceptable and house republicans would never pass it because it was a cave to the president. >> both of them are rejecting it. it's a point of balance. >> how can you, if that was too much, how are you going to get something through the house that is even more favorable to the democrats? >> well, i know you've got jim jordan coming on in a minute and he'll enlighten you to that end. >> it's got to be a factor in your consideration. >> it is a factor, at some point, first of all, we have a lot of conversation back and forth, joe and i were with eric cantor last night. i think at this point, we have got to figure out a way to get something out of the senate that we think is close enough for the house to accept. there's got to be some evolution, i think on both sides. but right now, think about it, we haven't gotten anything out

of either body, getting something out of one body would least be progress. i agree, that's why i say, it's not clear to me how this ends because there is such disarray and now, again, republicans overreach, and now democrats are beginning to overreach. hopefully as we move into this next week and markets are reopening, hopefully both sides will get back in the middle of the road, do some things again that pull a little rope towards making us stronger fiscally and set the stage for -- >> senator manchin, do you think it may take the markets tanking, reacting very negatively to get you guys off the dime? >> i think that this time, more than last time, i think people more fully understand the impacts and understand that we're in a pretty fragile recovery. i hope that's not what it takes. there are a lot of folks, for what its worth, there are a lot of folks in the senate that really want a good, solid

solution that doesn't journal either side and hopefully that's what's going to prevail. >> since the shutdown began, we saw the parks service shut down the world war ii memorial to veterans. there are -- we see a demonstration there, there's a so-called million vet march today to protest that. this week and i think everybody was horrified by that. the pentagon said they could not pay for the death benefits for our fallen soldiers or pay for the families to go to dover to see the remains returned until congress ended up passing an emergency bill. i want to ask you a direct question, do you think that this administration, the military has used veterans, as used other groups, as used the cuts politically to give them pain in order to put pressure on you guys? >> there's no way i can accept that any democrat or any republican would do that. public service is public service. we serve the public the best that we can.

>> what do you make of the -- >> the whole pretty process or the bureaucracy of what we're dealing with. i called ken fisher -- >> at fisher house? >> at fisher house, they were the catalyst that came to the table, but i want to thank ken fisher at fisher house for what they did. but to think someone would inflict this much pain. i didn't sign up for this type of duty. i didn't sign up for public service to put undue pain on people and it's hard for anybody of us to accept that. i have faith in our leadership. i believe that they will come together in a rational way and fix this problem. we have given some outlines, there's 12 of us working together. that's a pretty good core group to work out of. >> senate manchin, senator corker, thank you for coming n. we at the senate now at the

center of talks to end the stalemate. how do republicans feel about being left out. congressman jim jordan one of the so-called leaders of the tea party faction in the house joins us next.

now that the president has rejexed a house republican plan, there's a question whether the so-called tea party faction in the house will accept any deal that comes out of the senate.

here to answer that question and more is ohio congressman jim jordan. the president has rejected the house gop plan and the senate democrats have rejected an even more generous plan that was being offered by senate republicans, i say generous in the sense that it demanded less of the president and gave him or tilted more towards the president. so the question is do you get the sense that the other side thinks they have you guys on the ropes and they can force you to cave? >> we get the sense they don't want to negotiate. we have offered, i think 11 different bills funding either all or part of the government and they haven't even debated them in the senate let alone passed them. so here's the key. there are two key principles that i think will drive house republicans. the first is, you can't keep spending money you don't have. it's a basic concept. we can't keep raising the limit on an already maxed out credit

cart. the second principal is this, obama care as it is -- you can't give special dispensation to congress and then to every other american. you have to go to a website that doesn't work to try to sign up for a plan you can't afford and send your information to the irs who has already proven they can't treat it confidentially. >> we'll get to obama care in just a minute. i want to talk about what senate democrats are demanding that the debt limit be extended for a longer period of time, not even -- you guys were talking about november, they, the gang of 12 was talking about january. they want to extend it longer and they want the sequester spending cuts. and this seems to be the real heart of the problem now, rolled back. they're not going to have to live under the sequester of spending cuts for a prolonged period of time. you shake your head. if that comes out of the senate, will the house pass it?

>> the spending tax? >> yes. >> i don't see any way that you would see republicans go for that. and this idea that we have a debt celling that we don't adjust the underlying problem. we have a $17 trillion debt. we're just kicking the can down the road. >> direct yes or no, you're saying what will the house do if that plan comes out of the senate. >> we're best when we stay united on basic principles of less government, less spending, we are not going to increase spending the sequester has been one of the good things that has happened, one of the few things we have done where we have actually controlled spending somewhat in this town. >> let me ask you a direct question. if you say you're not willing to accept that, are you prepared to let this go past the dead line on thursday when the secretary of the treasury says that we're

going to go into default? >> no one wanted a shutdown. we offered 11 different bills to fund all of private government -- we have compromised and given them all kinds of reasonable pieces of legislation that harry reid won't even -- we keep spending more money than we v and if we continue to do that, we're going make it difficult for our did and our grandkids to enjoy this amazing things we all america. >> are you refusing to make a deal and let this go past thursday? >> you should be asking harry reid this and barack obama this. >> if they were here i would. i'm asking you. >> we are preparing to do what needs to be done to address the underlying problems in this country. >> but you won't raise the debt limit if it doesn't do that?

>> we're not going to break the sequester cap. that's one thing where we save the american taxpayers money here. we think that's an important thing that we have achieved. unless we get the kind of mandatory chances long-term changes in mandatory spending that actually put us on a path to balance and help address the underlying problem. you can't keep raising a limit on a credit card if you're not going to address the problem long-term. >> i understand that. you said republicans won't go for it. here's another way this could happen. if house speaker boehner puts this on the house floor, and it passes, overwhelmingly with democratic votes, will he be removed? >> over the last several weeks, he's seen our caucus very united. i don't think you're going see that happen. >> if he did it, what would

happen to bainer? >> we're focused on the principles that i describe. we're focussed on addressing the underlying debt problem. and we're also focused on obama care, it is unfair the way this is being implemented. >> let me ask you about that, there's a widespread feeling in washington, maybe right, maybe wrong. the feeling in washington is that you're going to have to accept in the house something that you hate because quite frankly the perception is that you misplayed your hands on obama care. according to a "wall street journal" poll this week 53% have a negative view on the gop. that's the worst rating since "the wall street journal" started polling in 1989. and obama care has actually got up from 31% to 38%. and the feeling is because of the disgust with the shutdown. congressman jordan, rightly or

wrongly, politically, has your strategy of linking obama care to all these, has it backfired big time? >> we need to delay this law, plain and simple. you can look at the polls or whatever. but we were elected to stand for certain principles. we have had 13 days where this thing has been rolled out and it's been a disaster. why is it okay for big corporations not to be subject to the plain letter of the law? why is it okay for members of congress to get a special break under the law? but for that single mom working at a small business, now she has to be subjected to trying to deal with obama -- why is that fair? this is a hallmark principle about this country. equal treatment under the law. >> i understand your argument. but the fact is when paul ryan had his op-ed piece in the "wall street journal," his way out, it

never mentioned obama care. when john boehner mentioned the house republican plan which extended the debt ceiling and had these budget talkses, he never mentioned obama care. >> we want people to understand that obama care is unfair the way it is. i want to repeal it. that's not going to happen with this president. delay it for individual americans, just like you did for members of congress. >> i'm not saying you're right or wrong. >> that is such a simple, fair, basic argument consistent with what makes our country such a special country, equal treatment under the law. >> doesn't it feel to you like the house republican leadership has abandoned you? >> we need to make a stronger argument with the american people. >> so, i guess what i'm a little bit confused because what you're basically saying, here we just talked to two senators who are

saying we have to move even more in the direction, we agree with you, that we're not going to relax the spending cuts, that's a nonstarter. but obama care never came up in that conversation either. you're demanding something that -- >> joe manchin said last week that he thinks the mandate should be relaxed for -- this is being enforced in an unfair fashion. >> so how will -- last question, do you think that the house republicans or congressional republicans are taking the hit that everybody especiallse seem have taken? >> no one likes a shutdown, we understand that. but i keep coming back to this idea that somehow we're the bad guys because we're standing up for the simple concept of fairness. we're standing up and saying we should be treated fairly under the law, this law doesn't work.

it's been 13 days since it's been rolled ou eed out, it does work. he can't wave the law during this shutdown for families whose sons gave their lives serving our country and want their death benefit. to me that's unbelievable. this is a simple argument about fairness and we're going to keep making it. >> always a pleasure to talk with you, sir. going to be an interesting week. up next, our sunday panel weighs in on the gridlock here in washington and where they see a path forward. doesn't like being sold to. the last thing i want is to feel like someone is giving me a sales pitch, especially when it comes to my investments. you want a broker you can trust. a lot of guys at the other firms seemed more focused on selling than their clients. that's why i stopped working at my old brokerage and became a financial consultant with charles schwab.

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i would like to see the politics get their act together. we elected them to take care of this country, not to play games. >> military supporters gathering today at the world war ii memorial for the so-called million vet march calling on the obama administration to reopen the war memorials closed in the government shutdown. it's now time for our sunday group. george will. former democratic senator evan bayh, dawna perino. the president rejected the house gop plan. so the democrats have rejeblted this compromise plan offered by

six of his democratic senators and six republicans senators. do you think they have all the leverage and they can just demand that republicans cave? >> that's the only reasonable explanation for the fact that they are moved the goal post. if an iron principle was that they wanted a clean cr and a clean increase of the debt limit. now they've attached something to it. now they want to change the law, the budget control act of 2011. to break the sequestesequester. for years we have been told if only the moderates -- let's delay the medical devices tax for which there are bipartisan majorities for complete repeal of them and let's just enforce the affordable care act for having criteria for eligibility for the subsidies. >> as i pointed out to the senators, this whole issue has been joined because the

president says obamacare is the law of the land and you cannot change it. forgive me, but the sequester is the law of the land, which raises the question, senator bye, is there rampant hypocrisy here? >> hypocrisy in washington? i'm shocked. of course this is a negotiation and people are going to press their events to control -- the republicans are losing the political war, so to save themselves in both the house and the senate, they're going to have to compromise and susan collins has come up with a reasonable approach. to delay and extend the time? it would be better for the country to raise the debt ceiling until after the next election. and they may have to finagle some things. the administration is going to have to give, and harry is going to have to give some because you can't default the country. >> harry reid? >> harry reid because you can't

default the country. >> is there a danger, as bob corker said, they overstepped? >> there is a danger with each passing day that danger grows. but the most likely outcome is that the senate comes up with some sort of compromise, the house will have to accept it. in spite of what the congressman you had on before. the house says just can't take what the senate gave us to, they vote it down, the stock market plunges and they come back and say well, i guess we had to, and they ultimately pass it with damage to the economy in the meantime. >> the senate moderates if you will, came up with a plan, paul ryan, not the most right wing member of the house said this is a total cave to the president and unacceptable. harry reid rejected it because

he said it was a case for the republicans and he wanted something more tilted toward the president. how does something like that everybody get through the house? >> it's incredible that i got on friday when i was going to come here on sunday that we would be talking about well, we see this clear path to a resolution and that by october 17, this thing will be solved and as of yesterday, and then this morning, actually they took several steps backward. the people who have wanted the government to live within it's means and they have wanted some things from the republicans out of it are going to be dissatisfied by anything they get. but the markets, that actually is where you might see the house and senate have to at least do something, because up until now the markets have shrugged off the shutdown. but any of the signals they're picking up over the next couple of days means that the tricks they think they can use over the next several days will not be enough to prevent an kpal collapse. so i think we are below ground

zero on this one. >> that's a bad place, below ground zero. >> or hot. >> this is a holiday season, i think we're in a house of horrors here. the smart move for the democrats here, chris, would be to come out as the adults in the proom. the pragmatists. the danger is the overreach that you heard referred to earlier. the democrats and president obama have to be very very careful not to put themselves in the posture of playing politics and taking advantage of the fact that they are right now winning the political war to punish the republicans. republicans are imploding and what they have, and i think is really key, it's not just the market, it's the business community that needs to reassert itself inside the republican party so people like susan collins, people like even potentially john boehner could see that there's some political power from money that comes forth to republican moderates in this fight and want him to be reasonable and not simply listen

to the far right wing that right now is dominating the republican party and driving them over the clif. . >> i don't know anybody who's come up with it. what's the sweet spot now? what is a deal that both sides could accept and honestly, do you think they'll be able to make it before thursday in the deadline? >> second question, i have no idea. but this much i do know. i said before the democrats had moved the goal posts by adding -- breaking the sequester. that's not just moving the goal post, that's a poi soon pill. if you want to bring the democrats together, you tell them they have to break the sequester. the problem is that the sequester is what democrats care most about. it's not obamacare, it's getting the spending rolling again and republicans will never agree to that. >> this all gets a little technical. the sequester was part of the budget control act as part of

the breakdown when we had the set ceiling in 2012. there are automatic spending cuts that are part of the law and if you extend the debt ceiling under the government's funding under the sequester cuts, then that just means that those cuts continue longer than the democrats continue like that. >> here's the sweet spot and a lot of it revolves around susan collins proposal. they passed that at the house with about 17 or 18 democrats voting for it. >> not even a repeal of the medical device act, just a two-year delay. >> it's a step in the right direction. confirming the eligibility of people who will be getting the subsidies in obama care, so the

republicans will get both of those things. what the democrats would get a little bit longer extension, so we can have a little bit more certainty in the economy, through the next election so businesses can invest and hire. so democrats will get that. with regard to the sequester, it is true that the spending levels will go down in january, but they're supposed to go back up again a year later. so you could move some of that spending from a year later forward. in the agate the spending would be the same, but the democrats would get a little bit more right now. that's going to create a lot of heartburn for the republicans, particularly mitch mcconnell. >> we're going to go down to the time we have left. is there a deal before thursday or not? >> it does not look like there's a deal right now. to me, boehner, he says the votes aren't there. call it up in congress, but i don't think he has the power now.

the sequester included keeped the spending levels, including the sequester. >> all right, so, yes or no. >> no, i don't think there's a deal right now. because the timeline -- >> you've taken your time. >> i think the medical device tax is very weak tea. the argument is -- i have been for that repeal. >> what happened to yes or no? >> you're not on the five. >> i know. i would say if they can't do something about obama care and if you look at the front page of the "new york times" today how it was a systematic failure across the board. >> you don't think we'll have an agreement by thursday? >> no, i don't think so. >> these are splittable differences with the exception of the sequester. >> wow, that was like herding cats. we have to take a break here, but when we come back, as if you didn't already know, new polls show just how disgusted voters

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talking about finding solutions to the problems. >> senator earlier in the week engaged in the rhetoric that has americans just fed up with washington. we're back now with the fence. les look at some numbers. some interesting numbers in the latest "wall street journal" poll. just 14% of americans, 14% say the country is headed in the right direction, that's a drop of 16 points from last month and matches the low point where we stood in the 2008 financial collapse and 60% of americans say they would like to replace

every member of congress including their round. are we at a tipping point here where folks just say the heck with all of them? >> well, they say it, but do they mean it? the fact is that they have done this before. the country is suffering from apop -- we have heard this over and over again. i think people are now saying, back off, stand down and they may be answering these polls tactically. americans often do that. they use the poll to send a message than the message they're sending is -- attend of the day when the dust settles and the smoke clears, we're going the have two parties and we're going to get used to them again.

>> your involvement with the no labels nonpartisan group. how deep do you sense that the frustration with washington is and could it be an opening for another force in american politics, perhaps a third party? >> the frustration is as deep as i have ever seen it, chris, and the poll numbers clearly reflect that. it almost makes you long for the days of the do nothing congress. the congress is actually taking steps to harm the economy, i think what we're likely to have is an increase in stability. it won't be felt in the house so much because of the gerrymander. so many of these districts are locked in. but you'll see it more at the senate level. will it go so far as to have a third party, if you look at hoift, th history, it's kind of unlikely. what i hope is more likely is that frustrated moderates and independents who sit on the side where a lot of this dysfunction takes place, the radicals on

both sides are the ones who respond in the primaries. if you get more moderates, minister independemore independents participating in primaries, you'll get a more -- >> elected i think in some measure, he certainly ran on the idea that he was going to end the hyper partisanship of the bush era and i don't think there's any question it's only gotten worse, what's the answer, how does this end? >> the sound bite that you played earlier to enter introthis segment. that's actually very tame compared to the other language that's been thrown about. >> we have heard that from republicans about other republicans. >> it my be a throw the bums out election, but it could be that some of the republicans find that they all have challenges in their districts. i tried to make a longview of this, we do not have a very warm

and charismatic speaker and a leader, i don't mean speaker boehner, i just mean in general for the republican party. like reagan was for the republicans and clinton was for the democrats. maybe one of them will emerge. but this evolution that the republicans are goug -- if you look at last week, and you're on the far right. you're saying it's worth it because we have shaken up the status quo. >> the problem is you get people into office who say, when i'm talking to them, they say when i was elected i was sent to washington to fight obamacare, i was sent to washington to shake up the status quo. you were sent to washington to represent the interest of the american people not some small sector. right now in the republican party. the base of the party is overwhelmly white and all they do isly in a very small bubble

and they are confirmed and you get heritage and freedom works. at the moment, as you witness what's going on here, there are people inside the democratic party who say we need a deal. which need to get something done and we don't see that right now coming from the heart and the soul of the republican party. >> the democrats live in the biggest main stream media bubble every created in the history of the universe. if you look at republicans across many of the states governors, or state legislators, republicans are actually doing what a really good work, just nationally they're taking a hit on their reputation. >> i live in washington for a long time. you've lived in washington even longer. there's a lot of talk now and it picked up on what senator bahy talked about. they're solidly republican,

solidly democrat. is it something that's simple and technical as that or is there something more in the culture that we live in today? >> it's not that simple. the fact is that we have a very polarizing president. he's not interested in a grand bargain, he's not interested in compromising, he doesn't think he needs to. for all the talk about the republican party's dysfunction, would someone tell me what the president's second term agenda is? what is it immigration? it's not going to happen. gun control. what is this man's agenda for the remaining 3 1/2 years of his term. >> chris, there's an experiment in california where they're trying a unified primary where all the republicans and democrats run together. we're going to have to watch and see what that leads to.

it would deal with some of this problem of jerry mannedering. you have large sums of outside money that come in to political orthodoxy. only 18% of republicans voted, he went down. you can't deal with the money, so what the answer is, more people getting out and vote who are tired of the dysfunction, who want to have more sensible people. they have got to vote particularly in primaries. >> we only have about 30 seconds left. what i'm hearing from all of this is it's not going to change any time soon. >> i don't think anyone on the left or the right thinks that more moderates is actually the answer. >> the american people do. >> but will they come out to vote in 2014? i doubt it. >> thank you panel, see you next week. remember our discussion continues every sunday on panel plus, you can find it right here on our website. and make sure to follow us on twitter at fox news sunday. up next our power player of

the week preying on the u.s. senate.

as we have discussed, most americans are sick and tired of the never ending stalemate here in washington. but one man has the perfect platform to deliver that message directly to some of the our leaders. here's our power player of the week. >> we're headed on a very reckless course. and it's time to abandon that course. >> barry black is chaplain of

the senate. >> let us pray. >> that opens every session with prayer. he's giving lawmakers a daily scolding. >> deliver us from the hypocr y hypocrisy, that stubborn pride, the collateral damage of this government shutdown. >> stubborn ride, blunders, is that what you see? >> yes. i think any objective observer would see a certain insanity in some of the things that have happened during this government shutdown. >> his prayers have attracted such attention on capitol hill, the house which has its own c p chaplain invited him to give the invocation there. he thinks his message is getting through. >> i have had senators saying i'm thinking differently about the way i'm voting because of

something you said? >> why is the shutdown continuing? >> make a u turn in an aircraft carrier very, very quickly. >> we first met chaplain black two years ago just after another near default. he runs a bible study group that has been cancelled since the government shutdown. >> the apostle paul said there are saints in caesar's household. >> black grew up in a baltimore housing project. his mother earned $6 a day as a maid. she gave her kids 5 cents for each scripture they could rekrooit. >> but what her reaction was -- >> time out. >> he spent 27 years in the service becoming chief of navy chaplains before coming to the senate in 2003. now his destiny is to help our leaders step back from the

brink. stop playing what he calls a dangerous game. >> in a spiritual sense what will it take for our leaders to get together and solve this? >> it's going to take humility. there's a proverb that says pride goes before destruction and a hearty spirit before default. making a commitment to being stewards, to being servants and that's going to involve humility. >> humility in the senate. good luck. chaplain black was elected to the house but he has stayed on with the democrats in charge. in these days of gridlock, he's apparently one of the few things the senate can agree on. we'll see you next week on fox news sunday.

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